John Wooten
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
>What's the point in owning a toy and it's box, if you can't see the toy?
What's the point of passing judgement on what someone else likes to collect?
>This is the same type of thing that they tried to get sports card
>collectors to believe about factory sealed sets. Who's to say that the toy
Make the distinction between currently produced (or produced for that reason)
and something produced long ago before it was popular to leave things
sealed...
>you bought is actually in the box if you never open it? Some unscrupulous
if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around...
>person may have removed the toy and replaced it with objects of similar
>wieght and resealed it. I saw the done many time in the sports market
>where the all the key cards were removed and replaced with worthless
>cards.
good thing we're not talking about cards
>I've been a collector/dealer of valuable worthless junk for about 25 years
>and this whole 'never removed from box' craze is just stupid, unless there
>is some type of window that allows yout o see what is inside.
Well, thanks for the input, but I like it and I'm gonna keep doing it. I
appreciate having all the packages I remember seeing lining the toy aisles
when I was a kid. I appreciate having my old toys *and* having untouched
versions of the same toys that I can either open myself or wait and share them
with a little one someday.
When I see a toy in a box, it brings back a lot of good memories, just as when
I look at the toys themselves. I experience the best of both worlds by
collecting untouched or nice condition examples *and* my own toys from way
back when. A NRFB or sealed toy reminds me of Christmases, birthdays, trips
to Gold Circle after a checkup or just grocery days (Gold Circle was next
door) while the actual toy I had reminds me of all the fun times after that.
John
John Wooten
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
>I agree, collecting mint in box toys is pretty silly.
>If all you want to look at it is the box, all you need is the box. My
>empty boxes look just as good as anyone's full boxes. Sure, maybe they
>aren't "worth" as much, but I thought toy collectors are concerned about
>the toy, not its worth...
Uh, so what if you want the toy and box just like the day you got it as a kid?
When you have a boxed toy, you have both. Today, I can look at the toy.
Tomorrow, I can look at the box. Tuesday, I can assemble the toy. Wednesday,
I can read the instructions or leaf through the product catalog.
On to the jab at the end of your post:
This fallacy that people who like boxed or packaged stuff are only interested
in worth really irritates me. Who are you to tell people why they're
collecting? I collect what I enjoy. Period. Collecting loose stuff doesn't
particularly appeal to me. Why? Because i have my original stuff from when I
was a kid, loose and beat to hell and I love it all. What I want is that
feeling I got when I first received a toy. getting a loose toy that someone
else played with isn't what I want. I want something that is mine,
originally, which is basically what a sealed or NRFB item is since it's never
been assembled or sometimes even opened. A sealed toy provides me that time
machine that we all wish we had at one time or another. The satisfaction of
tracking it down and settling for nothing less, the feeling of going back to
that birthday in 1979 or Christmas in 1978 and the idea that I hold in my hand
basically the same thing now as then...all of these feelings, however sappy,
are what play into why I collect boxed stuff.
So yeah, I guess it does have something to worth. In memories, boxed toys,
are worth quite a lot to me. You see, it's not just about a having a toy.
It's about being happy. If just the toy makes someone happy, great. If a
boxed toy makes someone else happy, great. Why try to make out someone who
collects something that might be a little more expensive or a little harder to
find at times out to be some sort of profit monger? Who are you to say that I
don't enjoy the same feelings with my boxed toy as you do with your loose one?
John
Bigred1579
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
OK-I admit it!!
I opened up my Ewok Battle Wagon out of the box and little plastic baggies, had
an ewok party then sealed it back in the baggies with a heat-sealer!!!
Am I really that evil!??!
-Red
woods01
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> I agree, collecting mint in box toys is pretty silly.
> If all you want to look at it is the box, all you need is the box. My
> empty boxes look just as good as anyone's full boxes. Sure, maybe they
> aren't "worth" as much, but I thought toy collectors are concerned about
> the toy, not its worth...
Well I won't pay extra for a sealed toy but there is something about having
an old toy still mint in its box that is very appealing. I think it has
something to do with the fact that as a kid the idea of keeping a toy in its
box is absurd! The packaging is often pretty attractive to look at and I like
the idea of re-creating the look of a toy store shelf, circa 1983, in my
home. Also its a hell of a lot easier to dust a few boxed toys than a bunch
of loose ones.
-John
Eric Allen Ehrbar
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
Why do you always have to take things I write as "jabs"? I don't
understand. Its my opinion, and I don't intend any harm by it.
I believe and will continue to believe that owning a MIB toy is silly.
If you take offense to my use of the word "silly", I'm sorry. But I have
no other term to discribe it. Now, if you want to fight me on my right
to post my opinion, thats up to you.
Anyway, on to my reasons why MIB collecting is "silly". In normal
conversations, I shouldn't need to post a disclaimer everytime I open my
mouth, but I don't want my words to be twisted by anyone. To start, my
use of MIB in this post refers to toys in a package in which you can see
0% of the actual toy. I understand it refers to other packaged toys too,
but I only want to talk about these items.
Say you buy a MIB toy. Great! You have the box with "something" inside
it. We'll presume it has the actual unassembled toy in it. You look at
it: nice box artwork, you hold it: it feels nice and heavy, you put it
on the shelf: box looks cool on shelf.
Say I buy a MIB toy. Great! I have the box with "something" inside it. I
presume its the toy. I look at the box, admire it the same as you. I
feel the box, I feel giddy. I open the box, take out the toy. I put the
box on the shelf, looks cool on the shelf.
I am now at the same place as you, I have a box on my shelf. But I ALSO
have a cool toy to play with.
This is the reason I think owning a MIB toy is silly. Because the box
looks the same with a toy as without!
The statement about an MIB toy being great because you can open it in
the future is great. This is my point, opening the toy is a wonderful
feeling. Never opening it, gives me no such pleasure. And once you do
open it, the toy is no longer MIB and so, cancels out the trial from the
sample.
On to other things:
Yes, this is my opinion. No, this was not a "jab". Your post hurts me,
John...honestly. In the last 4-6 months I have been reforming myself in
a lot of ways. I come here looking to have nice conversations with
people. I post a simple idea regarding my opinion on MIB toys. MY
OPINION, and you slap an accusation at me. It honestly hurts, and
frustrates me.
What irritates me is when people like yourself take MY OPINION and turn
it into, your quote, "Who are you to tell people why they're
collecting?"
John, I'm NOT telling people what to do or why they collect. It is my
opinion!
I don't know what to say anymore, everything I write gets stretched,
misinterpreted, and so on. I'm no superman. I can't FORCE people into
collecting the way I do, nor do I want to. I just want to share my
opinion. If you're too good to read my opinion and take it as such, then
stop reading my posts!
Note to group: In the past I have been a jerk to some people, I believe
they know. To those people, I am sorry. In the past few months I have
made huge strides in calming myself. I am now more open to opinions and
practices of others. I am a born again Christian and am very proud.
I want to say that I will be lurking this board on occasion, I won't be
posting much because I don't have too much to say about vintage toys.
But I will post my honest opinion in a DECENT and CIVIL manner, on the
things I do post about. I only hope the readers interpret the posts that
way. Everything I post will be respectful, and I wish that those
addressing me will return the courtesy.
Thank you for your time,
Eric
Christopher Maybury
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Eric Allen Ehrbar wrote:
> Why do you always have to take things I write as "jabs"? I don't
> understand. Its my opinion, and I don't intend any harm by it.
Because you posted the following:
I agree, collecting mint in box toys is pretty silly.
If all you want to look at it is the box, all you need is the box. My
empty boxes look just as good as anyone's full boxes. Sure, maybe they
aren't "worth" as much, but I thought toy collectors are concerned about
the toy, not its worth...
You called collecting MIMB toys "silly", thereby insulting the people who
enjoy collecting these items? Who the hell are you to tell anybody that
their collecting focus is less valid than your own? Whether they collect
POTF2, loose vintage, sealed toys, teacups, or Barbie dolls. As long as
somebody enjoys what they collect, then great.
Then you went on to imply that anybody who collects MIMB toys is only
interested in the value as some kind of speculator. That is an absurdly
false statement. Take John Wooten for instance. He collects mint, sealed
toys, and I doubt he is interested in them as an investment.
Bubba Bo Bob Fett
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> What's the point of passing judgement on what someone else likes to collect?
Judgement not passed, just an observation made.
As I've said before, I do not understand the facination with owning
something you cannot see. Kind of defeats the purpose of collecting
something if you can't see it.
Bubba Bo Bob Fett- just expressing opions, not passing judgement
Bubba Bo Bob Fett
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Why do you always have to take things I write as "jabs"? I don't
> understand. Its my opinion, and I don't intend any harm by it.
Not to worry Eric, he also took my opinion as something I was trying to
ramrod down the throats of others.
A note to Mr Wooten, you really need to learn the difference between
someone expressing an opinion and someone 'passing judgement', as you
say. There is a very distinct difference.
Bubba Bo Bob Fett- needing to go back into the lurk mode again if everyone
here is so touchy
Bubba Bo Bob Fett
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Christopher Maybury wrote:
> You called collecting MIMB toys "silly", thereby insulting the people who
> enjoy collecting these items? Who the hell are you to tell anybody that
> their collecting focus is less valid than your own?
And who are you sensor someone from expressing their opinion? This is a
diverse group of people and we are not all going to think the same way. I
alos think collecting NRFB toys is 'silly'. But that is just my opinion
and if you wish to collect that way, don't let my opinion stop you. But
also, do not tell me not express my opinions. To me, an empty c10 box on
the shelf is a s good as one that has the toy in it, so I will never pay a
premium for such item. That is my style of collecting.
Bubba Bo Bob Fett- who thinks this group needs to take itself a little
less seriously
Eric Allen Ehrbar
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Christopher Maybury wrote:
> You called collecting MIMB toys "silly", thereby insulting the people who
> enjoy collecting these items?
Insulting someone was not my intention. My intention was to state my
opinion. My opinion remains as such, collecting MIB toys is "silly". Is
it stupid? No. Is it wrong? No. Its "silly". Ofcourse, again, my
opinion. I'm not insulting anyone, atleast anyone with an open mind to
other people's opinions. I never considered being called "silly"
offensive to me. I do a lot of things people would say is silly, but I
don't take such hard offense as you and John have. As Bubba Bo Bob Fett,
I think you both need to realize that an opinion DOES NOT equal a passed
judgement or implied "I'm better than you" idealism.
I don't take offense to your opinion on MIB toys, I DO take offense to
the way you are handling my opinion and treating me like I'm some sort
of jerk for posting opinion.
> Who the hell are you to tell anybody that their collecting focus
> is less valid than your own?
You must have misunderstood me too. Simply stating my opinion is NOT the
same as telling someone what to do or passing judgement.
> Then you went on to imply that anybody who collects MIMB toys is only
> interested in the value as some kind of speculator.
Did I use the word "only"? No sir. But you are right, I did imply that
SOME people are concerned about its value, but nowhere did I imply
"all", "only" or "every". And can I be wrong about the collectors being
MORE interested in the toy? After all, we are called TOY collectors for
a reason. Maybe this sounds absurd to you 2, but I honestly expect an
apology for you guys twisting my post into something it wasn't meant to
be. It wasn't an attack, plain and simple. Like, Bubba Bo Bob, I'm going
back to lurker mode till you guys learn to take opinions as they are
intended.
Eric
Eric Allen Ehrbar
Oct 17 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> John Wooten wrote:
> To those watching:
>
> The reason why I'm touchy is because it pisses me off when people always seem
> to hint that folks who like boxed stuff are worried about value. I pointed
> out several honest and straightforward reasons why I collect stuff like that.
> This was in the hopes of explaining to those who don't understand, *why* some
> folks collect boxed things and *why* maybe, just maybe, it's no sillier than
> anything else we're all into. I don't want to change anyone's opinion,
> really, but I do want to at least offer some reasons to perhaps give them a
> little perspective.
And I did read your stance. And your points are good. I can understand
the feeling you might get from owning something as it was under the
Christmas tree 20 years ago. I like to hear your opinions.
What got to me about this whole thing, has nothing to do with collecting
MIB. I am upset because you stretched my simple opinion into a "he's
telling me what to do" thing. Its not that at all. I think collecting
MIB is silly, so I don't do it. I never said, "hey stop doing it."
I think a part of the collecting population are too concerned with
value. Obviously you don't fit this discription. So fill me in on why
you collect MIB, but don't take my comments as an order to change or
judgement on your collecting habits.
> Maybe I have latched onto Eric's comment a little too
> strongly, but I think it's necessary to explain to these people that it is
> possible to enjoy a boxed or mint toy every bit as much as someone who likes a
> loose toy without any concern towards value at all.
> Opinions are what it's all about, but I'd at least like folks to be open to
> having educated opinions.
I welcome opinions. I wish you would have welcomed mine at the start.
Eric
John Wooten
Oct 18 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Why do you always have to take things I write as "jabs"? I don't
> understand. Its my opinion, and I don't intend any harm by it.
It's insulting when you hint that folks who collect boxed stuff are in it for
what it's worth instead of pure pleasure. The obvious point you're trying to
make is that loose collection is somehow more virtuous. That isn't true at
all.
>I believe and will continue to believe that owning a MIB toy is silly.
>If you take offense to my use of the word "silly", I'm sorry. But I have
>no other term to discribe it. Now, if you want to fight me on my right
>to post my opinion, thats up to you.
oh please, it has nothing to do with that. *of course* everyone can post
their opinions...sheesh.
>Anyway, on to my reasons why MIB collecting is "silly". In normal
>conversations, I shouldn't need to post a disclaimer everytime I open my
>mouth, but I don't want my words to be twisted by anyone. To start, my
>use of MIB in this post refers to toys in a package in which you can see
>0% of the actual toy. I understand it refers to other packaged toys too,
>but I only want to talk about these items.
um, it can be both in or out of the box, correct? so, what you're really
saying is that you think it should be out of the box, yet you say owning a
boxed toy is silly...you're really not making sense consistently here.
>Say you buy a MIB toy. Great! You have the box with "something" inside
>it. We'll presume it has the actual unassembled toy in it. You look at
>it: nice box artwork, you hold it: it feels nice and heavy, you put it
>on the shelf: box looks cool on shelf.
>Say I buy a MIB toy. Great! I have the box with "something" inside it. I
>presume its the toy. I look at the box, admire it the same as you. I
>feel the box, I feel giddy. I open the box, take out the toy. I put the
>box on the shelf, looks cool on the shelf.
>I am now at the same place as you, I have a box on my shelf. But I ALSO
>have a cool toy to play with.
Did you miss the part of my post where I explained being able to take the toy
out as one of the attractive parts of collecting boxed stuff? It's the best
of both worlds. I could swear I said this already.
>This is the reason I think owning a MIB toy is silly. Because the box
>looks the same with a toy as without!
no, a box without a toy is a box without a toy....
>The statement about an MIB toy being great because you can open it in
>the future is great. This is my point, opening the toy is a wonderful
>feeling. Never opening it, gives me no such pleasure. And once you do
>open it, the toy is no longer MIB and so, cancels out the trial from the
>sample.
>On to other things:
>Yes, this is my opinion. No, this was not a "jab". Your post hurts me,
>John...honestly. In the last 4-6 months I have been reforming myself in
>a lot of ways. I come here looking to have nice conversations with
>people. I post a simple idea regarding my opinion on MIB toys. MY
>OPINION, and you slap an accusation at me. It honestly hurts, and
>frustrates me.
Why did you make the comment at the end of your post hinting that boxed
collectors are more worried about "worth" than the toy? It's that one part
that bothered me the most.
As to the rest, I think you're overreacting and being melodramatic. My
response was to your apparent misunderstanding about why someone would collect
something boxed. I offered several reasons to show you that it isn't about
"value" as you'd assume and that it is entirely possible to enjoy it every bit
as much as someone who likes loose stuff.
john
John Wooten
Oct 18 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
>As I've said before, I do not understand the facination with owning
>something you cannot see. Kind of defeats the purpose of collecting
>something if you can't see it.
I know you don't understand it. That's why I explained *my* experience and
reasons for doing it to you and those who think similarly. My intent is not
to change anyone's mind, but to give you a little perspective so you can
understand why people do it, silly or not. Apparently, no one wants to talk
about that.
John
John Wooten
Oct 18 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
To those watching:
The reason why I'm touchy is because it pisses me off when people always seem
to hint that folks who like boxed stuff are worried about value. I pointed
out several honest and straightforward reasons why I collect stuff like that.
This was in the hopes of explaining to those who don't understand, *why* some
folks collect boxed things and *why* maybe, just maybe, it's no sillier than
anything else we're all into. I don't want to change anyone's opinion,
really, but I do want to at least offer some reasons to perhaps give them a
little perspective. Maybe I have latched onto Eric's comment a little too
strongly, but I think it's necessary to explain to these people that it is
possible to enjoy a boxed or mint toy every bit as much as someone who likes a
loose toy without any concern towards value at all.
Opinions are what it's all about, but I'd at least like folks to be open to
having educated opinions.
John
John Wooten
Oct 18 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
>Why do you always have to take things I write as "jabs"? I don't
>understand. Its my opinion, and I don't intend any harm by it.
Actually, let me clarify. I said "jab" as in one, singular comment. I was
specifically referring to this comment and NOT your comments about what's
silly:
"My empty boxes look just as good as anyone's full boxes. Sure, maybe they
aren't "worth" as much, but I thought toy collectors are concerned about
the toy, not its worth..."
If I took it the wrong way, then explain to be why I shouldn't take offense to
this?
Now do you understand? The rest of my post addressed the "silly" comments
(rather well I guess, since no one has bothered to comment on them). The
"jab" part was about the above quote. You can stop being hurt and frustrated
now that I've explained my post a bit better, I hope.
John
Coyote9114
Oct 18 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
I am a mint in box collector. I like the box, AND it's contents, plus it adds
to the value of the item and the prestige of your collection. what's your
point??
Scott
daimos
Oct 19 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> If you ahve the money to do it, aquiring the rarities first is the best
> way to put together a collection. These are the pieces that tend to hold
> their value and go up, thus aquiring them first is the best thing to do
> since the common stuff really won't change in price much.
Not neccesarily... i mean the people who bought the A-wing and Skiffs years
ago at 6 and 700 in the box and 350 loose have got to be kicking themselves
now. Even the vinyl cape jawa had dropped in price. At one time someone paid
$5000 ,now, someone could have this piece kind of easily for $2000. Just
because something is hot now dosen't mean it will stay that way forever
starscrm
Oct 19 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> What's the point in owning a toy and it's box, if you can't see the toy?
> This is the same type of thing that they tried to get sports card
> collectors to believe about factory sealed sets. Who's to say that the toy
> you bought is actually in the box if you never open it? Some unscrupulous
> person may have removed the toy and replaced it with objects of similar
> wieght and resealed it. I saw the done many time in the sports market
> where the all the key cards were removed and replaced with worthless
> cards.
your're analogy really dosen't work because usually it's the box that is worth
money and not the toy, but in cards no one cares about the box and more about
the cards inside. A death star loose is only worth $100 bucks, but in the box
sealed its easily worth $1000. To me sealed is not about the piece of tape
sitting around the endflap, but more about the overall condition, C10 sealed
seem to be the pinnacle just like a PSA MINT card.
> I've been a collector/dealer of valuable worthless junk for about 25 years
> and this whole 'never removed from box' craze is just stupid, unless there
> is some type of window that allows yout o see what is inside.
that is obviously how you feel, but it is not neccesarily the opinion of
many, nor myself. Really to me, case fresh sealed stuff just tends to looks
better than the majority of the stuff out there and that's how I remember it
being in the store, and that is why I perfer it. A lot of us already have the
toys loose mint or loose in box or with unused contents and are looking for
pristine upgrades. I personally enjoy the boxes more than the toys most time.
later
e
starscrm
Oct 19 1998
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> I agree, collecting mint in box toys is pretty silly.
> If all you want to look at it is the box, all you need is the box. My
> empty boxes look just as good as anyone's full boxes. Sure, maybe they
> aren't "worth" as much, but I thought toy collectors are concerned about
> the toy, not its worth...
And i could say : "Who cares about the toys? The boxes are always so much more
interesting and colorful."
It's all a matter of preference when your'e dealing with this stuff. Maybe a
lot of loose collectors don't care about the boxes but some of us think
they're cool and are willing to pay a premium for them, thats all. I don't
see what the big deal is - collect what you want and in the condition you
want. Why do we always need to analyze why we do or don't want something!
later
e
Michael Mierzwa
Oct 20 1998
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I agree that leaving it in the box stinks. What I do when I buy mini
rigs MIMSB is open them. :) Yes, my "investment" disappears. But
there isn't really a market on mini rigs.
I almost bought a sealed Jabba the Hutt playset this weekend just to get
a vintage Jabba and throne. But they were asking $75 for a MIMSB line
art catalog box. I'm waiting for a MISB (non-Mint box) Jabba for less.
Or I'd be happy with a Mint Complete Jabba playset minus crumb who I
have already.
Michael Mierzwa
Robot Sonic
Oct 20 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
I did exactly what you are talking about here a couple of months ago.
It may not be in the box anymore, but Jabba looks very good looking over
his palace of minions.
tfpriceguide
Oct 20 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> I agree that leaving it in the box stinks. What I do when I buy mini
> rigs MIMSB is open them. :) Yes, my "investment" disappears. But
> there isn't really a market on mini rigs.
> I almost bought a sealed Jabba the Hutt playset this weekend just to get
> a vintage Jabba and throne. But they were asking $75 for a MIMSB line
> art catalog box. I'm waiting for a MISB (non-Mint box) Jabba for less.
> Or I'd be happy with a Mint Complete Jabba playset minus crumb who I
> have already.
I don't what this to come off as demeaning or elitist, but this is where my
problem lies. How can a loose collector with an incomplete loose collection
even begin to discuss or pass judgement on how cool or uncool sealed or mimb
unused items are when they have yet to approach that stage in their
collection. I think a lot of us started collecting loose figures and most of
our interests were rekindled looking upon loose figures, but many of us
gradually moved into the stage of collecting moc and mib items, and a lot of
us want those items in cash fresh condition. I think a lot of the people
passing judgement are individuals like "Bubba Fett" or Micheal Miwerza who
are outspoken "new" collectors who are either satisfied with new figures or
only begginner vintage collectors who haven't reached an appreciation of
boxed items. But please before you say that leaving items in the box
"stinks", try seeing it a different way . Just as we can appreciate your
interest in loose items, we would also like to see you at the very least
"respect" our interest in boxed items and not brand our collecting interest
as "sillly" or in the interest of investment potential.
later
e
Michael Mierzwa
Oct 20 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
Actually, I've been collecting SW stuff since 1977. BTW you might try
to either spell my name correctly or just put an initial there. It
makes it look like you didn't bother to read my post at all. In fact,
based on your post where I talk IN FAVOUR of boxed items I'm 100% sure
you didn't read my post. :(
Bubba Fett nor I have passed any judgements. We stated two *very*
different opinions.
But you rushed to judgement by lumping two opposing views in one post.
:(
BTW I never called MISB collecting silly, and frankly I think you do
your own position a great deal of discredit by implying I suggested
that.
My advice, be careful who you make an example of.
Michael Mierzwa
tfpriceguide
Oct 21 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Actually, I've been collecting SW stuff since 1977. BTW you might try
> to either spell my name correctly or just put an initial there.
Technically we have all been collecting Star Wars stuff since 1977 if you want
to count childhood accumalations, but when most people discuss star wars
collecting they sort of recoignize their era of collecting as the time they
started paying aftermarket prices for items.
> It makes it look like you didn't bother to read my post at all. In fact,
> based on your post where I talk IN FAVOUR of boxed items I'm 100% sure
> you didn't read my post. :(
Where do you favor boxed items? at the beginnig of your post you call leaving
things in the box "stupid" You are only in favor of boxed items when you can
open them and obtain mint playsets, that is not the same thing as collecting
sealed boxed veichles or unsued contents for the unused contents or the case
fresh aspect which you seem to be criticizing.
> Bubba Fett nor I have passed any judgements. We stated two *very*
> different opinions.
Calling something stupid to me is passing judgement.
> But you rushed to judgement by lumping two opposing views in one post.
> BTW I never called MISB collecting silly, and frankly I think you do
> your own position a great deal of discredit by implying I suggested
> that.
> My advice, be careful who you make an example of.
My intent was to use both of you as examples of outspoken new figure
collectors who really have seemingly have no experience with boxed items and
should be the last to criticize anyone. If you were reluctant and then did
not pay $75 for a sealed Jabba, then how can you comment about anyone
spending $1000 for a sealed Death Star.
later
e
(formerly starscrm)
Jay Pennington
Oct 21 1998
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage
> Michael Mierzwa wrote:
>I almost bought a sealed Jabba the Hutt playset this weekend just to get
>a vintage Jabba and throne. But they were asking $75 for a MIMSB line
>art catalog box. I'm waiting for a MISB (non-Mint box) Jabba for less.
>Or I'd be happy with a Mint Complete Jabba playset minus crumb who I
>have already.
Yikes, a year ago I bought one in an unsealed beat-up box for $20. The
toy is mintymint and the parts were still in their baggies. This
couldn't be that hard to find, could it? Did I luck out?
-Jay Pennington
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